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Posted 18th September 2009 1318

PLASTIC JESUS ON A STICK PEOPLE, THE POINT OF THE TALE OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX. QUIT MAKING IT A LESSON ABOUT SEX. CAN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE? EVERYONE - ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS DEBATE - NEEDS TO SHUT. THE FUCK. UP ABOUT SODOM AND GOMORRAH. ARGH.

Seriously, for anyone on either side of this debate, there are better verses to illustrate your point and your repeated invocation of the story of Sodom makes you sound like an idiot who didn’t bother to do a lick of research. Which, frankly, you probably are.

The POINT of the story has to do with hospitality customs and guest law. It has to do with cruelty to strangers in a time when the customs and laws of hospitality dictated that the duty of city elders was to provide food and shelter for strangers. A time when any injury to a guest would be visited back upon the host. The point is that the men of Sodom totally disregarded these customs and that Lot, in the most extreme way imaginable, upheld them. Can you wrap your tiny brain around that or are you so obsessed with sex that you can’t think about anything else?

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Posted by PK since ‘89 22nd September 2009

Genesis 19 says two angels, disguised as human men, visit the towns, and stay w/LOT. The Bible then tells us, “Before they went to bed, all the men from Sodom surrounded the house. They called, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.?The angels then blind all the men. “The LORD then destroyed the cities.? All the men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sex with the men that came with LOT. While the men of Sodom and Gomorrah were certainly being inhospitable, that was not the problem. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah desired to perform homosexual rape on the angels. Also, God never declared inhospitality to be an abomination to Him, while Leviticus 18:22 makes God?s view on homosexuality clear ?Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.? While Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of many other sins, homosexuality was the reason God destroyed the cities.

You should do YOUR research. Cuz you look like an idiot.

Posted by PK 22nd September 2009

Those ? marks are supposed to be ” marks

Posted by Research 25th September 2009

PK, go back and read the whole thing instead of cherry picking the verses you like and then, go get yourself some historical context.

Now pay attention, because I`m pointing out the important bit here: “I have two daughters who have never slept with a man … you can do what you like with them. -But don`t do anything to these men, for they have come under the PROTECTION OF MY ROOF-“ (Genesis 19:8)

See that bit, the one about the angels being under the protection of Lot`s roof? That`s why Lot`s willing to let his OWN DAUGHTERS be raped. You`re clearly unfamiliar with ancient guest law. According to those rules, any injury to a guest could be visited back upon the host. (See the Encyclopaedia Judaica for more info or, since you`ve likely never set foot in a library in your life, `hospitality law` on Wikipedia.) The angels blind the men so they can`t find the DOOR. Out of everything they could have done, they kept the men from entering Lot`s home. So yes, being inhospitable WAS the issue.

Posted by Research 25th September 2009

(Though one could argue that it wasn`t inhospitality per se, but breaking trust between guest and host; per Jewish guest law, to a stranger, the entire town was host.)

As for the bit in Leviticus, if you`re quoting that, I hope you`ve don`t eat shrimp. See, God`s views on shrimp are also clear. “These you may eat, whatever is in the water: all that have fins and scales…But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales (including shrimp!) …shall be abhorrent to you.“ (Lev 11:9-11)

You can`t just pick out the verses that let you condemn (judge) people YOU don`t like. You either follow Leviticus or you don`t.

I`m not saying that no verses denounce homosexuality. Some do. I`m saying the tale of Sodom isn`t one of them. Quit using it. Find a better verse. (Try the New Testament. Have you read that bit? Jesus is in it.) NB: If you`re an Orthodox Jew, most of the above won`t apply.

Read your own religious text, because when you don`t, you look like an idiot.

Posted by Research 25th September 2009

Mess. That should be “hope you don`t.“

Since I’m having to post x3, I would like to point out that I know that the New Testament bit doesn`t apply to Jews at all and the shrimp bit does not apply to Orthodox Jews. I concede that I am assuming that PK is a Christian. (And apparently one who hasn`t actually read the Bible.)

And in case anyone’s thinking of bringing it up, I AM familiar with the story of Peter and Cornelius the Centurion, but the cherry picking rule still applies.

Posted by Anonymous 4th October 2009

Dude you look like you just copied and pasted shit off the internet.. God doesn’t kill people for being inhospitable! You ramble on about shrimp and Jews to make you point.. They have nothing to do with anything.. you look like an idiot!

Posted by Anonymous 10th October 2009

People actually CARE about the Bible in this day and age? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

It’s a fictional novel you clowns

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